SitePoint Podcast＃162：以Google为动力

Episode 162 of The SitePoint Podcast is now available! This week the panel is made up of 3 of our 4 our regular hosts, Patrick O’Keefe (@ifroggy), Kevin Dees (@kevindees) and Stephan Segraves (@ssegraves).

SitePoint Podcast的第162集现已发布！本周的座谈会由我们的4位常规主持人中的3位组成，分别是Patrick O'Keefe( @ifroggy )，Kevin Dees( @kevindees )和Stephan Segraves( @ssegraves )。

下载此剧集 (Download this Episode)

You can download this episode as a standalone MP3 file. Here’s the link:

您可以将本集下载为独立的MP3文件。这是链接：

~~SitePoint Podcast #162: Taking Google For A Drive~~(MP3, 44:50, 43.0MB)
~~SitePoint Podcast＃162：以Google为驱动器~~(MP3，44:50，43.0MB)

剧集摘要 (Episode Summary)

The panel discuss Adobe launching a host of Cloud services to go with CS 6 and also kicks off a new website dedicated to the open web. We also take a moment to remember web design pioneer Hillman Curtis and talk about the future of advertising on the Web.

该小组讨论了Adobe推出与CS 6一起使用的大量Cloud服务的过程，并启动了一个专门用于开放Web的新网站。我们还花了一些时间来纪念Web设计先驱Hillman Curtis，并谈论Web广告的未来。

Here are the main topics covered in this episode:

以下是本集中介绍的主要主题：

Browse the full list of links referenced in the show at http://delicious.com/sitepointpodcast/162.

浏览http://delicious.com/sitepointpodcast/162中显示的参考链接的完整列表。

主持人聚光灯 (Host Spotlights)

Patrick: BlameSociety Videos
帕特里克： BlameSociety视频
Stephan: Reviews In Depth | Why Everyone Should Learn to Program
斯蒂芬(Stephan)：深入评论| 为什么每个人都应该学习编程
Kevin: 20 Inspiring Examples of Big Backgrounds in Web Design | Inspiration
凯文(Kevin)：网页设计大背景的20个令人振奋的例子灵感

面试成绩单 (Interview Transcript)

Patrick: Hello and welcome to another edition of the SitePoint Podcast. This is Patrick O’Keefe and I’m joined today by my usual co-hosts Kevin Dees and Stephan Segraves; hey guys, how’s it going?

帕特里克：您好，欢迎来到SitePoint播客的另一版本。这是帕特里克·奥基夫(Patrick O'Keefe)，今天我和我平时的共同主持人凯文·迪斯(Kevin Dees)和斯蒂芬·塞格雷夫斯(Stephan Segraves)一起加入了会议。嗨，大家好吗？

Kevin: Howdy, howdy.

凯文：你好，你好。

Stephan: Hi.

史蒂芬：嗨。

Patrick: As you may notice we are without our other usual fourth co-host, he usually introduces the show, Louis Simoneau, he’s off with important business-like errands to attend to, or something along those lines, and we’ll be holding the fort down today in his absence. So I guess let’s go ahead and jump into the stories. I’ll take the first story today, on TechCrunch there was a story by Ingrid Lunden that caught my eye, it is about mobile hardware and operating system market share for the three months ending in March, this is according to ComScore and I found this story through Revenues. So the story has essentially three main numbers, like I said, hardware, software and then also usage through mobile, like use a downloaded app, use the browser, etcetera. So here are some of the numbers: for hardware you have Samsung in the lead with 26% of the market, that is a gain of .7% from the three months ending in December, in other words the previous three-month period. LG second with 19.3% with a small loss, Apple is third at 14% with a 1.6% gain, then you have Motorola fourth and HTC 5th, Motorola with 12.8% of the market and HTC with 6.0%, and that represents small losses for both of those brands. As far as our branding systems go, Google remains in the lead by a healthy margin with 51% of the market, that is a 3.7% change, and then you have Apple at 30.7%, a gain for them as well of just over a percentage point. And then you have a big loss from Blackberry from Research in Motion moving down to 12.3%, losing 3.7 percentage points. Microsoft is in at 3.9, a loss for them, and then Symbian, finally, maintains its ground at 1.4%. I don’t know, I guess Symbian is what I have, right? I don’t know what’s in this small, little, cheap pay-as-you-go phone.

帕特里克(Patrick)：您可能会注意到我们没有其他通常的第四位主持人，他通常会介绍演出路易斯·西蒙诺(Louis Simoneau)，他缺席了许多重要的类似商务活动，或者类似的活动，我们将举办今天在他不在的时候要塞了。所以我想让我们继续讲故事。今天我将讲第一个故事，在TechCrunch上有一个Ingrid Lunden的故事引起了我的注意，这是有关截至3月份的三个月中移动硬件和操作系统市场份额的信息，根据ComScore的说法，我发现故事通过收入。因此，这个故事基本上具有三个主要数字，例如我说的硬件，软件，然后还可以通过移动设备使用，例如使用下载的应用程序，使用浏览器等。因此，这里有一些数字：对于硬件，您处于三星的领先地位，占据了26％的市场，这比截至12月的三个月(即前三个月)增长了0.7％。 LG以19.3％的微弱损失位居第二，苹果以14％的份额以1.6％的收入位居第三，摩托罗拉位居第四，HTC排名第五，摩托罗拉以12.8％的市场份额和HTC占6.0％的份额，这意味着这两个品牌。就我们的品牌系统而言，谷歌以稳健的利润率保持领先地位，占有51％的市场份额，即发生了3.7％的变化，然后您的苹果公司占有30.7％的份额，这对他们也有好处百分点。然后，来自Research in Motion的Blackberry损失惨重，下降到12.3％，下降了3.7个百分点。微软的价格为3.9，这对他们来说是一个损失，然后Symbian最终将其价格保持在1.4％。我不知道，我猜应该是Symbian，对吗？我不知道这款小巧，便宜的随用随付手机的功能。

Kevin: So, looking at these numbers for the platform specifically, not the hardware but the platform side, it comes to my attention that when you think about like jQuery plugins and CSS tricks and all this stuff, it’s like people tend to move towards the iPhone, and yet Android has continued, or Google, has continued to be the platform of choice, and I understand why, people like the iPhone in development for the reason that it’s fairly consistent across their browser space, whereas Android you have different screen sizes per phone, and all this other stuff that really makes it hard to develop for. But, I think it is worth drawing attention towards.

凯文(Kevin)：因此，着眼于平台的这些数字，而不是硬件，而是平台的侧面，我注意到，当您考虑使用诸如jQuery插件和CSS技巧之类的东西时，就像人们倾向于朝着iPhone和Android仍然是Android的首选平台，而我继续理解为什么人们喜欢iPhone在开发中，因为它在整个浏览器空间中都相当一致，而Android的屏幕尺寸却不同每部手机，以及所有其他这些确实难以开发的东西。但是，我认为值得引起注意。

Stephan: Along those lines, why is the environment so much different then, because you see a lot of development for iPhone apps and very little for Android apps, and not very little in the sense that no one’s developing anything, but because you don’t really hear a lot about Android apps, right, the Instagram app was a big deal. But I think it comes down to Android users aren’t necessarily willing to pay for apps, right.

史蒂芬：沿着这些思路，为什么环境会如此不同，因为您看到iPhone应用程序的开发量很大，而Android应用程序的开发量却很少，从某种意义上说，没有人在开发任何东西，但不是那么少，而是因为您没有真的听到很多关于Android应用程序的信息，对，Instagram应用程序很重要。但是我认为这归结为Android用户不一定愿意为应用付费。

Patrick: There have been a bunch of different articles suggesting just that, and the numbers bear it out that Apple customers, Apple users, IOS mobile users are just more likely to pay for apps, they’re in Apple’s ecosystem. Whereas the Android is — the Android platform is a little more, well, it’s more open, but I mean I guess the downside of that some would say that it’s more disjointed; you know, there are different versions, there are different app market places, you know I’m a Kindle user, Kindle Fire, it’s Android, you know it’s not the current version, it’s the version that Amazon took and made to fit their tablet, and they have their own app marketplace that sells both to the Android platform, in the latest version, but also with a particular focus on the Kindle Fire. And I download a number of apps, and I downloaded probably hundreds of apps by this point, eh, I would say over a hundred, to be conservative, and I’ve paid for — I want to say I’ve paid for about 30 apps or so, most of which were on sale or half off or some kind of discount is what prompted me and pushed me to buy them then, you get a lot of the free app of the day and other free apps, but yeah, I don’t know, it’s an interesting dilemma, but as a developer it feels like it’s silly to ignore Android.

帕特里克(Patrick)：有很多不同的文章暗示了这一点，并且数字表明，苹果客户，苹果用户，IOS移动用户更可能为应用付费，因为他们处在苹果的生态系统中。尽管Android是Android平台，但是Android平台稍微开放了一些，但是我的意思是我想这其中的缺点是，它的含义更加分散。您知道，有不同的版本，有不同的应用程序市场，您知道我是Kindle用户，Kindle Fire，它是Android，您知道它不是当前版本，这是Amazon为适应平板电脑而制造和制造的版本，他们有自己的应用程序市场，既可以销售最新版本的Android平台，也可以专注于Kindle Fire。我下载了许多应用程序，到目前为止，我可能已经下载了数百个应用程序，嗯，保守地说，我说要超过一百个，并且我已经付款了-我想说我已经为大约30个应用程序付款左右的应用程序，其中大多数都在打折或半价销售或某种折扣，这促使我促使我购买它们，然后，您获得了当天的大量免费应用程序和其他免费应用程序，但是是的，我不知道，这是一个有趣的难题，但是作为开发人员，忽略Android感觉很愚蠢。

Kevin: Right, I would agree with you there. I mean and I guess it’s sort of the point I’m trying to make, but more than that, you know I was focusing a little more towards the Web, the Web side of thing, because that’s what I deal with on a daily basis.

凯文：对，我在那里同意你的看法。我的意思是，我猜想这是我要提出的要点，但除此之外，您还知道我将重点更多地放在Web，即Web方面，因为这是我每天处理的事情。

Patrick: Right.

帕特里克：对。

Kevin: And that part of it is with the iPhone your screen size is always going to be the same, right, and I think that’s really — I’m harping on this because it is kind of a big deal in that when you create an iPhone app you have a set number of pixels, I believe it’s 320 pixels for the low resolution, and 640, this is Portrait mode I believe, yeah, Portrait mode that you would be in, and so like with Android I mean the array is just massive. And so I’m mostly referring to things like jQuery mobile and that kind of stuff, which do support Android platforms and that kind of thing, but it’s just interesting for me to like look at these numbers and then see the reflection in like when you see the community talking, right, it’s mostly about the iPhone, you rarely see anything about Android when it comes to Web stuff. I think that’s a little bit of sort of the culture of the web design community, right, because everybody that makes websites needs to have ‘The Mac’, you know, you can’t use Windows, kind of thing.

凯文：那部分是与iPhone配合使用的，您的屏幕尺寸总是会保持不变，对，我想这是真的-我对此持保留态度，因为在您创建iPhone屏幕尺寸时，这很重要iPhone应用程序有一定数量的像素，我相信低分辨率是320像素，640是像素，我相信这是纵向模式，是的，就像你在使用纵向模式一样，对于Android，我的意思是数组是只是巨大的。所以我主要指的是诸如jQuery mobile之类的东西，它们确实支持Android平台之类的东西，但是让我感兴趣的是，我喜欢看这些数字，然后像在您看到时那样思考看到社区在说，对，主要是关于iPhone，在涉及Web方面，您很少看到关于Android的任何东西。我认为这是网页设计社区的一种文化，对，因为制作网站的每个人都需要拥有“ Mac”，您知道，您不能使用Windows。

Patrick: You can’t be like Patrick.

帕特里克：你不可能像帕特里克。

Kevin: But it’s true, though, right?

凯文：但这是真的，对吧？

Patrick: Right.

帕特里克：对。

Kevin: You do have that little bit of this hatred towards anything other than Apple because in design, right, you want it to be beautiful and to be honest a lot of Windows stuff isn’t just breathtaking.

凯文：除了苹果之外，您对其他任何东西都抱有一点仇恨，因为在设计上，对，您希望它漂亮，说实话，许多Windows东西不仅令人叹为观止。

Patrick: Right. Or at least they have that reputation that continues to follow them.

帕特里克：对。或者至少他们具有继续追随他们的声誉。

Kevin: Right. And I think it’s good to look at the numbers and see numbers like this to kind of bring you back to reality because you can get lost in this Apple world.

凯文：对。而且我认为最好查看这些数字并看到这样的数字以带您回到现实，因为您可能会在这个苹果世界中迷路。

Patrick: And they also said that they are — was data on the mobile content usage, and there are six categories; send a text message to a phone, that number stays steady, 74.3% of Smart Phone and non-Smart Phone, hello, users sent a text to another phone, 50% used downloaded apps, that’s a 2.4 percentage point change, 49.3% used a browser, that’s a gain also of almost two percentage point, 36.1% access a social networking site or blog, which is just a weird categorization to me; you access a social networking site, or any blog, 36.1%, a gain, played games 32.6%, listened to music on a mobile phone 25.3%, both of those gains of 1.2 and 1.5. So all actions gained moreorless, but still only less than 50% of the Smart Phone and non-Smart Phone of mobile users age 13 and up in the U.S. used a web browser, so not even 50%. Is that surprising? Is that meaningful in any way?

帕特里克(Patrick)：他们还说，是-有关移动内容使用情况的数据，分为六类；向手机发送短信，该数字保持稳定，占智能手机和非智能手机的74.3％，您好，用户向另一部手机发送了短信，其中50％使用了已下载的应用程序，变化了2.4个百分点，49.3％浏览器的收益也增加了将近两个百分点，访问社交网站或博客的比率为36.1％，这对我来说只是一个奇怪的分类；您访问社交网站或任何博客，获得了36.1％的收益，玩了32.6％的游戏，听了25.3％的手机音乐，这两个收益分别为1.2和1.5。因此，所有操作的获得都非常成功，但在美国13岁及以上的移动用户使用网络浏览器的智能手机和非智能手机中，仍然只有不到50％的用户使用了网络浏览器，因此甚至没有50％的用户使用网络浏览器。令人惊讶吗？这有任何意义吗？

Kevin: Yeah, I think like when you look at these numbers I mean it’s growing, right, and I think that’s the key to pull out of this is that mobile is continuing to grow as statistics have shown, and it will only continue to do that in the future. And the reason that this even pulls at it even more is these are competitor brands and things like that that we’re talking about, right, so it is a saturated space in that companies are taking it seriously and not just because there’s money in it but because there’s like — there’s brand awareness in it as well because so many people are using it, I mean Microsoft jumped in the game, right.

凯文：是的，我认为就像您看到这些数字时一样，它的确在增长，对，我认为，要摆脱这一困境的关键是，移动电话将如统计数据所示的那样继续增长，而且只会继续增长将来的那个。而且它之所以能发挥更大作用，是因为这些是竞争对手的品牌，而我们正在谈论的是这样的事情，是的，所以这是一个饱和的空间，公司正在认真对待它，而不仅仅是因为其中有钱但是，因为其中有-品牌知名度，也因为有很多人在使用它，所以我的意思是微软跳入了游戏。

Patrick: Right. And you know technically speaking back in November I actually accessed the web browser on my cheap pay-as-you-go phone because someone actually — Chris Cochran, Christopher Cochran who works for webdevestudios.com, which is the company of Brad Williams who was one of the original four hosts on the SitePoint Podcast here, he had developed a website and it was spitting out what mobile browser you were on and adjusting for that, and so he’s like will it even recognize this? So we pulled it up and sure enough it recognized it; I forget as what, and it took some time, but I did get to Chris’ website, so —

帕特里克：对。从技术上来说，您知道11月份我实际上使用便宜的即付即用电话访问了Web浏览器，因为实际上有人Chris Cochran，Christopher Cochran在webdevestudios.com工作，该公司是Brad Williams的公司，这里是SitePoint播客的最初四位主持人之一，他已经开发了一个网站，它吐出来的是您正在使用的移动浏览器并对此进行了调整，所以他想它甚至会认出这一点吗？因此，我们将其拔出并确定它能够识别它；我忘记了什么，花了一些时间，但我确实到达了克里斯的网站，所以-

Kevin: That’s awesome.

凯文：太棒了。

Patrick: I do have a browser.

帕特里克：我有一个浏览器。

Kevin: Did he reimburse you for the data usage?

凯文：他有偿还您的数据使用费吗？

Patrick: (Laughs) no, he didn’t. I don’t know what it cost me, probably — I don’t know, it probably cost me, hmm, I don’t know, fifty cents or something like that.

帕特里克：(笑)不，他没有。我可能不知道花了我多少钱—我不知道，这大概花了我50欧分或类似的东西。

Kevin: To load a web page?

凯文：要加载网页吗？

Patrick: (Laughs) well spent.

帕特里克：(笑)花得很好。

Kevin: That’s a soda out of the soda machine, Patrick.

凯文：那是苏打水里的苏打水，帕特里克。

Patrick: Yeah.

帕特里克：是的。

Stephan: I think this breakdown of mobile content usage it would be interesting if they broke it down even more and said which platforms did what more.

史蒂芬：我认为，如果移动内容使用量细分，并且进一步细分，并说出哪些平台还可以做得更多，这将很有趣。

Patrick: Right, that’s a good point.

帕特里克：对，这是一个好点。

Stephan: I think that would be cool to see like if — are Android users using downloaded apps more than web browser stuff? And I think that may give us more of a look at how people are actually using the phones and whether we should be developing more and more web apps for Android than say regular native apps. It’s just interesting to me; I think maybe this all brings us back to developing just responsive web applications that aren’t specific to a platform, right, I don’t know.

史蒂芬：我认为这很酷-Android用户使用下载的应用程序的次数多于Web浏览器的次数吗？而且我认为，这可能会让我们更多地了解人们实际使用手机的方式，以及是否应该开发比常规本机应用程序更多的Android网络应用程序。这对我来说很有趣。我认为也许这一切使我们回到了开发不特定于平台的响应式Web应用程序的过程中，对，我不知道。

Kevin: Yeah, definitely. Especially like when you think about the development of just the desktop platform, right, where a lot of stuff you do would be in apps, but since bandwidth has become increasing like web apps aren’t that uncommon and they’ve become quite popular when you think about 37 Signals and companies like that that are built on it, Twitter, social networks, you know.

凯文：是的，当然。尤其是就像您只考虑台式机平台的开发时一样，您会在应用程序中做很多事情，但是由于带宽增加，就像Web应用程序并不少见，因此当它们流行时，您会想到37个Signals及其类似的公司，Twitter，社交网络。

Stephan: Yeah.

斯蒂芬：是的。

Kevin: And that goes into the Smart Phone industry as well, right. So now with 4G LTE, I believe that’s correct, right; I don’t have LTE here or 4G or anything like that.

凯文：这也涉及到智能手机行业。所以现在有了4G LTE，我相信这是正确的；我这里没有LTE或4G之类的设备。

Patrick: Right, sounds right.

帕特里克：对，听起来不错。

Kevin: But that’s high, high speed Internet right there, and with that kind of capability there’s no reason, like you were saying, Stephan, that we can’t come to a place where web apps take over the mobile space above built-in apps, and I’m not saying that that’s actually 100% true because, you know, the phone makers are pushing their marketplaces on the phone, and it’s so easy to buy an app, you know.

凯文：但是那是一个高速，高速的互联网，有了这样的功能，没有理由像您在说斯蒂芬那样，我们无法来到一个网络应用取代内置应用占据移动空间的地方应用，我并不是说这是100％正确的，因为您知道，手机制造商正在推动手机市场，而且购买应用非常容易。

Stephan: Yeah, yeah, but I think you’re absolutely right, there are certain things now that are easier to do on the phone, and you can make it cross-platform available to everyone without having to distribute the application, right, the websites, the distribution point. So I think the possibilities there are great, and I hope to see more companies push a web application via the actual web interface and not necessarily through an application, a native application.

斯蒂芬：是的，但是我认为你是完全正确的，现在有些事情在电话上更容易完成，您可以跨平台使用它，而无需分发应用程序，对，网站，分发点。因此，我认为可能性很大，我希望看到更多的公司通过实际的Web界面而不是通过应用程序(本机应用程序)推送Web应用程序。

Kevin: Right.

凯文：对。

Patrick: On a related note, I just saw a story on The Next Web that was reported today, they are recording May 7th, by Anna Heim, it says that Twitter has updated its mobile web version, mobile.twitter.com, and according to their announcement the purpose of the update was to improve the Twitter experience for users who access the platform from feature phone, low bandwidth networks and older browser, so there you go. It’s a market they want to tap into.

帕特里克(Patrick)：在相关的笔记上，我刚刚看到了今天报道的The Next Web上的一个故事，他们正在录制Anna Heim于5月7日录制的视频，其中说Twitter更新了其移动网络版本mobile.twitter.com ，并根据在他们的公告中，更新的目的是为了改善通过功能电话，低带宽网络和旧版浏览器访问平台的用户的Twitter体验，然后您就可以使用了。他们想进入这个市场。

Stephan: Cool. Speaking of web apps and phone apps, Foursquare today launched a new history page so you can search all of your past check-ins, this is being reported on The Next Web, the writer is Drew Olanoff, and he’s just reporting on the feature, and you can search, it shows a map of all your check-ins, and it basically lets you access all your old history data on Foursquare. A pretty neat little feature, I’ve played with it a little bit, it doesn’t look like you can actually share it with anybody, which is kind of a feature to me; I don’t know if I want everybody stalking my history.

史蒂芬：酷。说到网络应用程序和电话应用程序，Foursquare今天启动了一个新的历史记录页面，您可以搜索过去的所有签到内容，该内容在The Next Web上得到了报道，作者是Drew Olanoff，而他只是在报告该功能，您可以进行搜索，它会显示所有签到的地图，并且基本上可以让您访问Foursquare上的所有旧历史数据。这是一个非常漂亮的小功能，我玩了一点，看来您实际上不能与任何人共享它，对我来说这是一个功能。我不知道我是否要每个人都跟踪我的历史。

Patrick: Yeah, I was curious about that myself, is that something that you can enable or disable, or is it just something that’s out there for the public?

帕特里克(Patrick)：是的，我对此感到很好奇，是可以启用或禁用的功能，还是只是面向公众的功能？

Stephan: I don’t see an option to do it, but what’s odd when I go look at my history I can see old comments on my check-ins and the friends that were at the same locations of those check-ins, so that’s kind of cool.

斯蒂芬：我看不到这样做的选择，但是当我回顾自己的历史时，很奇怪，我可以在签到位置和位于这些签到位置的朋友看到旧评论，所以有点酷

Patrick: Yeah, I’m looking actually — we must be friends so I’m just going to see. No, we’re not friends, what the heck?

帕特里克(Patrick)：是的，我实际上正在寻找-我们必须是朋友，所以我将要看看。不，我们不是朋友，这到底是什么？

Stephan: Man, Patrick!

史蒂芬：伙计，帕特里克！

Patrick: Stephan, man, add me now.

帕特里克：史蒂芬，伙计，现在加我。

Kevin: Tsk, tsk.

凯文：T ，t。

Patrick: Foursquare.com/ifroggy, I have nine total check-ins, so with my non-Smart Phone, or is it called a feature phone, is that kind of the cool name for it, feature phone? I don’t really check-in, so, I check in from a browser whenever I check-in; last time I did so was last — I guess that’s October, the Westin Bonaventure Suites and Hotel in Los Angeles. I don’t know why that’s funny, but, yeah, that’s the last time I checked in, it was October, or September, I’m sorry, September 2011.

帕特里克： Foursquare.com/ifroggy，我总共要办理九次登机手续，因此使用我的非智能手机，或者它被称为功能手机，功能手机是一个很酷的名字吗？我并没有真正签到，因此，每次签到时我都会从浏览器签到；我上次这样做是最后一次-我猜是10月，洛杉矶的Westin Bonaventure Suites and Hotel。我不知道为什么这很有趣，但是，是的，那是我最后一次签到，那是10月或9月，对不起，2011年9月。

Kevin: So, Patrick, you’re looking for —

凯文：所以，帕特里克，您在寻找-

Patrick: I’m looking at my history now.

帕特里克：我现在正在看我的历史。

Stephan: What’s cool about all this, to me at least, is that now a simple check-in allows me to build a map of my travels and things, rather than me having to write something down or take a note in my phone or, you know, I’m kind of anal retentive about all this kind of stuff, just remembering where I was and things, so this is useful to me and it gives me another reason to use Foursquare even if I make it private.

史蒂芬(Stephan)：至少对我而言，这一切最酷的地方在于，现在，通过简单的登机手续，我就可以为自己的旅行和事物建立地图，而不必写下一些东西或在手机上记笔记，或者，您知道，我对所有这些东西都持肛门态度，只记得自己在哪里和事物，所以这对我很有用，即使我将它设为私有，这也使我有了使用Foursquare的另一个理由。

Patrick: Right. And I looked at your profile, I can see the last five history and that’s all.

帕特里克：对。我查看了您的个人资料，可以看到最近的五个历史记录，仅此而已。

Stephan: Yeah, which is cool, I’m glad, I don’t want you going and stalking my last year’s check-ins; if I want to share that information with you I will.

斯蒂芬：是的，太酷了，我很高兴，我不想让你走过去跟踪我去年的值机；如果我想与您分享这些信息，我会的。

Kevin: So if you show up at a Starbucks at five o’clock in the morning you’ll always run into Patrick, right, according to this history.

凯文：所以，根据这段历史，如果您早上五点在星巴克出现，您总是会碰到帕特里克。

Patrick: Yeah, you’ll run into me if I’m sleepwalking.

帕特里克：是的，如果我梦游，你会遇到我的。

Kevin: (Laughs) yeah, it’s an interesting story, it reminds me of Google’s Latitude that they put out a while back where you could track your location and kind of your most common places of interest.

凯文：(笑)是的，这是一个有趣的故事，它使我想起了谷歌的谷歌纵横，因为他们放了一段时间，您可以在其中追踪您的位置和最常见的名胜古迹。

Stephan: Yeah, it’s neat, it’s neat, so it’s a step in the right direction, I’m sure people won’t like it or they’ll have some complaint about it, but I think it’s a good step.

斯蒂芬：是的，它很整洁，它很整洁，所以这是朝正确方向迈出的一步，我敢肯定人们会不喜欢它，否则他们会对此有所抱怨，但是我认为这是一个很好的步骤。

Kevin: Alright, so I have a story on silent browser upgrades, since Mozilla has released version 12 of their browser it’s now silent upgrading time. And so this has kind of created a little bit of a stir in the web community, but it’s kind of a new thing but not really since Chrome has been doing it for quite a while, but it’s new for Mozilla and Internet Explorer plans to trail them on this, so it’s becoming the trend of the Web now, for desktop browser specifically here, in that the browsers want their latest version on your computer as soon as possible, and I can’t say I disagree with that. So this article kind of goes through step-by-step parts of the reasons why it’s a good thing for this to happen, and I like the story in short because it is short, and because it covers some of the practical things and thoughts behind browser silently upgrading themselves. Some of the points I like are the Internet Explorer example that it has which basically says that because of Internet Explorer 6 sitting stagnant for so long there’s no way to get that upgraded to Internet Explorer 8 even if you’re on XP because you can’t silently upgrade, and so if they had had that everyone, you know, we would have gotten rid of this Internet Explorer 6 issue a lot sooner. And so things like user agent sniffing is gone now in replace of feature detection, things like that that you can do, and that UA detection isn’t as good because like if the browser’s upgrading itself then you have to update your script, and so the best way to really detect what version is through the feature detection. And there are other things, he points out some things, but those two points I think are the biggest for me which is the Internet Explorer. And also, thirdly, he makes his first point which is you have to see past your expertise, right, because we’re all kind of webbies, but the normal person they just say well I just click on the blue E and it takes me to the Internet, right, that’s the Internet, the blue E, like they don’t even know that it’s Internet Explorer, and so like that even furthers the point of, you know what, these people aren’t gonna upgrade their browsers because they don’t even know what it is to begin with, like unless there’s a popup on their screen, which people are already wary of, right, because of viruses, especially if you’re a Windows user, you know, it’s like it’s just one of those things where it’s like it’s about time, it’s a breath of fresh air in my opinion.

凯文：好的，所以我有一个关于静默浏览器升级的故事，因为Mozilla发布了他们的浏览器的版本12，现在是静默升级的时候了。因此，这在Web社区中引起了一些轰动，但这是一种新事物，但实际上并不是真正的，因为Chrome浏览器已经使用了一段时间，但这对于Mozilla和Internet Explorer计划来说是新的它们在此上，因此现在正成为Web的趋势，特别是对于此处的桌面浏览器而言，浏览器希望尽快在您的计算机上获得其最新版本，我不能说不同意。因此，本文逐步介绍了发生这种事情的原因的逐步说明，我之所以喜欢这个故事，是因为故事简短，而且因为它涵盖了背后的一些实际事物和思想。浏览器会默默地升级自己。我喜欢的一些要点是Internet Explorer的示例，该示例基本上说，由于Internet Explorer 6停滞了很长时间，即使您使用XP，也无法将其升级到Internet Explorer 8，因为您可以默默地进行升级，因此，如果他们拥有了每个人，您就会知道，我们早就可以摆脱此Internet Explorer 6问题。因此，诸如用户代理嗅探之类的功能现在已取代了功能检测之类的功能，而您可以做的事情以及UA检测的性能却不如以前，因为如果浏览器本身进行了升级，那么您就必须更新脚本，等等。真正检测版本的最佳方法是通过功能检测。他指出了其他一些事情，但是我认为对我来说最大的两点是Internet Explorer。第三，他要说的第一点是，您必须了解自己的专业知识，对，因为我们都是网络爱好者，但是他们通常说的很好，我只是单击蓝色E，这需要我到互联网，对，那就是互联网，蓝色的E，就像他们甚至都不知道它是Internet Explorer一样，这样一来，甚至更进一步，这些人都不会升级他们的浏览器，因为他们甚至不知道开头是什么，例如除非屏幕上出现弹出窗口，否则人们已经对病毒有所警惕，因为病毒，尤其是如果您是Windows用户，就好像是只是时间上的那些事情之一，我认为这是新鲜空气。

Patrick: I mean the tricky thing here, and of course the kind of other side of this is that, you know, talking about Microsoft, Google, some might think of them as Big Brother in a way, you know, pushing things down at their leisure into your computer, right, and I guess there are cases where — this isn’t something we want to see proliferate into every application, right, this isn’t something we want, we don’t necessarily want silent upgrades in every piece of software that we have installed on our machine.

帕特里克(Patrick)：我的意思是，这很棘手，当然，从另一方面讲，在谈论Microsoft，Google时，有些人可能会以某种方式将它们视为老大哥，他们闲暇时会进入您的计算机，对，我想在某些情况下-这不是我们想要看到的渗透到每个应用程序中的东西，对，这不是我们想要的东西，我们不一定希望每个应用程序都进行无提示升级我们已经在计算机上安装的软件。

Kevin: Correct.

凯文：对 。

Patrick: Web browsers are kind of a special case just because they are used to access the wild, wild, Web, right, the wilderness that could be full of who knows; not only do you have the nefarious things like viruses or malware, and they may exploit an outdated browser, but then you have certainly for our audience, the developer concerns, having as much of a consistent experience as possible for a majority of your visitors regardless of the browser that they are using. And so ensure that you need people to be using similar standards and adhering to similar practices where the browsers will read a certain piece of code the same way, whether the wide variance that exists between say Internet Explorer 6 and even Internet Explorer 10 or Firefox or Chrome. You know, but there is that concern there, and like I said, this isn’t something you want to see in everything, is it?

帕特里克(Patrick)：网络浏览器是一种特殊情况，只是因为它们用于访问可能充满了谁知道的荒野，狂野，Web，正确，荒野。您不仅拥有病毒或恶意软件之类的邪恶之类的东西，而且它们可能会利用过时的浏览器，而且对于开发人员而言，您肯定对我们的听众而言，对大多数访问者都具有尽可能一致的体验，无论他们正在使用的浏览器。因此，请确保您需要人们使用类似的标准并遵循类似的做法，在这些做法中，浏览器将以相同的方式读取某些代码，而不管Internet Explorer 6甚至Internet Explorer 10或Firefox之间是否存在巨大差异。Chrome。您知道，但是那儿存在担忧，就像我说的那样，这不是您想在所有内容中看到的东西吗？

Kevin: No, not at all, to be honest there’s not much you can do to get around the malicious type of software that they’re just gonna do this anyways, right, I mean they put themselves on your computer just by visiting a website, you don’t even have to click a button sometimes.

凯文：不，一点也不，说实话，您无法做很多事情来解决恶意软件，反正他们只会这样做，对，我的意思是，他们只是通过访问一个网站就将自己放置在您的计算机上，有时甚至不必单击按钮。

Patrick: Right.

帕特里克：对。

Kevin: And so there are things that the browsers are doing like, for example, Firefox allows you to stop the automatic updates if you want to, so, you know, for example in the comments there’s one fellow here who uses a CMS but he can’t get it to work on many browsers except for Firefox 3, so what does he do, he turns those off and he’s okay. You know something I thought was very interesting is I was using Firefox one day and then all of a sudden it just updated without me asking it to, and so I don’t know what happened there.

凯文：因此，浏览器正在做一些事情，例如，Firefox使您可以停止自动更新，因此，例如，在注释中，有一个人正在使用CMS，但他不能使它在除Firefox 3之外的许多浏览器上都能正常工作，因此他该怎么做，他将其关闭，并且还可以。您知道我认为非常有趣的事情是，有一天我在使用Firefox，然后突然更新，而没有我要求它，所以我不知道那里发生了什么。

Patrick: You’re like, oh, Firefox you sly devil.

帕特里克：你就像，哦，Firefox，你这狡猾的魔鬼。

Kevin: Yeah. So like it would have been interesting to have had like a box to select or something, like maybe I did check it and I just didn’t realize it, sort of like Windows XP had before where you would get automatic updates with I believe service pack 2.

凯文：是的。因此，就像有一个要选择的盒子之类的东西会很有趣，比如也许我确实检查了它，而我却没有意识到，就像Windows XP在您获得自动更新之前相信服务一样包2。

Patrick: Yeah, and it’s true what you say about popups, because I can say I use my computer and every time I see a popup to upgrade something oftentimes it is Adobe, something Adobe, Adobe Air or —

帕特里克：是的，您所说的弹出式窗口是对的，因为我可以说我使用我的计算机，并且每次看到弹出式窗口进行升级时，通常是Adobe，Adobe，Adobe Air或-

Kevin: Flash.

凯文：快闪。

Patrick: Flash, right, even Acrobat; and sometimes there’s a prompt for Java, to upgrade to the latest version of Java, since I have those notifications on, and then you have a few other things here and there, I use a program called Malware Bites, and once in a while that’ll prompt me for a new version. But then I go use the computer that my family has that they use, and that’s my brother and my parents, and they’ll just ignore those popups forever (laughs), they will not touch those things until I get there and see the pile-up of, well, everything needs to be updated outside of Windows because Windows will restart, you know, will say we’re gonna do this, you have four hours if you want, but we really need to do this. And so, yeah, I mean it’s funny how that is the case. So it’s a tricky era that we live in where we’re concerned about so many different areas of privacy and control, certainly Facebook is constantly in the news regarding those issues, you have legislation, SOPA, PIPA, SYSA, SYSPA, and anything else that ends with an A. And then you have those issues and people are going to have concern about their privacy, and yet, they want to allow some of these major companies that are parties to these legislations, sometimes pro, sometimes against, but just to install things onto the computer. And, on the other hand, you have people like my family who won’t upgrade anything and might be vulnerable, so I don’t know what the — I guess it is we have to go down this road, and if any company abuses it, and I don’t think any reasonable company will, but there’s always that chance that there’s that one person who does something, you know, it’s gonna be a major news story, and then we’re gonna have CNN talking about, well, Mozilla, Google, they were pushing updates to your computer without your permission, find out more at 11:00.

帕特里克(Patrick)：快闪，对，甚至Acrobat；有时会提示Java升级到Java的最新版本，因为我收到了这些通知，然后到处都是，我使用了一个名为Malware Bites的程序，有时会提示我输入新版本。但是，然后我去使用家人使用的计算机，那就是我的兄弟和父母，他们将永远永远忽略那些弹出窗口(笑)，直到我到那里看到那堆东西时，他们才会触摸这些东西。嗯，所有内容都需要在Windows外部进行更新，因为Windows将重启，您会说我们要这样做，如果您愿意的话，您有四个小时的时间，但是我们确实需要这样做。所以，是的，我的意思是这种情况很有趣。因此，我们生活在一个棘手的时代，我们一直在关注如此多的隐私和控制领域，当然，Facebook一直在不断关注这些问题，您有立法，SOPA，PIPA，SYSA，SYSPA等等以A结束。然后您遇到了这些问题，人们将对其隐私感到担忧，但是，他们希望允许某些主要公司加入这些法规，有时赞成，有时反对，但仅仅是将东西安装到计算机上。而且，另一方面，您有像我的家人这样的人，他们什么都不会升级，而且可能很脆弱，所以我不知道是什么-我想这是我们必须走的路，如果有公司滥用我认为没有一家合理的公司会这样做，但是总有一个人在做某事的机会，这将是一个重大新闻，然后我们将让CNN在谈论，Mozilla，Google，他们在未经您许可的情况下将更新推送到您的计算机，请在11:00处找到更多信息。

Kevin: Yeah, and they were stealing your data and all your documents and finding out what you wrote to your ex-wife, kind of thing.

凯文：是的，他们是在窃取您的数据和所有文档，然后才发现您写给前妻的东西。

Patrick: Right, because it’s an issue that once it’s in the mainstream it’s much like the legislation really, a lot of people will talk about it but very few people will understand it. And that’s exactly the kind of issue that that would be, you know, the news will grab onto it as a headline and it is newsworthy, and if I a company does abuse it, it deserves to be put out there. But then you create this fear, and 99%, similar to what Mr. Wall says in this blog post, 99% of users don’t care what browsers they’re using, well, that’s the same 99% that won’t understand this issue if it goes wrong. But I don’t know, I don’t see any other way, so actually I’m interested to see the browsers kind of widely adopting this practice, and I have to say I like the logo on this blog; have you put your mouse over it?

帕特里克(Patrick)：对，因为这是一个问题，一旦它成为主流，就真的很像立法，很多人会谈论它，但很少有人会理解它。这就是那种问题，您知道，新闻将成为头条新闻，并且具有新闻价值，如果我的公司确实滥用它，则应该将其发布。但是，然后您就产生了这种恐惧感，有99％的人类似于沃尔先生在本博文中所说的那样，有99％的用户不在乎他们使用的是什么浏览器，好吧，这就是99％的用户不会理解的如果出问题了，这个问题。但是我不知道，我没有看到其他方法，所以实际上我很想看到浏览器广泛采用这种做法，我不得不说我喜欢这个博客上的徽标。你把鼠标放在上面了吗？

Kevin: I have not, let me try, ooh.

凯文：我没有，让我尝试，哦。

Patrick: Put your mouse over that thing.

帕特里克：将鼠标放在那东西上。

Kevin: Oh my gosh, that’s kind of rockin’ right there, literally.

凯文：哦，天哪，从字面上看，这简直就是摇滚乐。

Patrick: It’s kind of like a vinyl record. It’s like “wiki wiki wiki”.

帕特里克：有点像黑胶唱片。就像“ Wiki Wiki Wiki”。

Kevin: I’m a DJ on this website; check it out, what’s up. Yeah, I think it’s an interesting story and one to watch for, you know, because part of this also is with the silent update thing, right, what happens when, for example, like silent updates maybe for Internet Explorer 8 versus 9, like you can’t get Internet Explorer 9 on Windows XP. Now there’s good reason for that, but you know situations like that where it’s more than just them trying to update your computer, it’s like a physical limitation of the device you have, and like the conflicts that that creates.

凯文：我是这个网站上的DJ；检查一下，怎么了。是的，我认为这是一个有趣的故事，值得关注，因为其中的一部分还与静默更新有关，对的，例如，当静默更新(例如对于Internet Explorer 8和9)发生时，会发生什么？您无法在Windows XP上获得Internet Explorer 9。现在有充分的理由，但是您知道这样的情况，不仅仅是它们试图更新您的计算机，这就像您所拥有的设备的物理限制，以及造成的冲突一样。

Patrick: Yeah, and I was just looking at operating system percentages for the visitors on one of the communities that I manage, and someone asked other members what they were using, and so I posted the, first of all, the operating system itself, and then they wanted a breakdown of Microsoft and the Windows Operating Systems, and I have 57.54% on 7, 28.60% on XP, 13.3% on Vista, and then small percentages beneath that; Windows server 2003 was .37% and then it kind of went down, and we had one visit from Windows ME, this year. So, yeah, I mean you have 28.60% of Windows visitors, which represent a majority, and those people won’t be able to get those newer versions of IE, and you still have to, you know, there’s still a sizable part of the website. So even with automatic upgrades eventually if they don’t upgrade the operating system it seems like the upgrades will come to an end. So, speaking of Google, we have a post here from the Google official blog announcing that Google+ Hangouts on Air is now available worldwide, and previously this was a feature that was in Beta. Basically it allows you to put a live broadcast out there on the Web in Google+ and on your YouTube channel, if you so desire, hangouts have been around for a while, of course, they are kind of one of the Google+ killer features, if you will, get together with a group of people that you know and talk and have a nice video chat; I’ve actually done that with you Kevin.

帕特里克(Patrick)：是的，我只是在为我管理的一个社区中的访问者查看操作系统百分比，有人问其他成员他们正在使用什么，所以我首先发布了操作系统本身，然后他们想要对Microsoft和Windows操作系统进行细分，而我在Windows 7上占57.54％，在XP上占28.60％，在Vista上占13.3％，在此之下还占很小的比例。 Windows Server 2003是0.37％，然后又下降了，今年我们有来自Windows ME的访问。所以，是的，我的意思是您有28.60％的Windows访问者(占大多数)，而这些人将无法获得那些较新版本的IE，并且您仍然必须知道，网站。因此，即使最终进行了自动升级，如果他们不升级操作系统，升级似乎也将告一段落。因此，就Google而言，我们在Google官方博客上发布了一篇文章，宣布Google+ Hangouts直播现已在全球范围内可用，并且以前是Beta版的功能。基本上，它允许您在Google+和YouTube频道上的网络上进行直播，如果您愿意，视频群聊已经存在了一段时间，当然，它们是Google+杀手级功能之一，如果您将与一群认识和交谈的人聚在一起，并进行漂亮的视频聊天；实际上，我已经和你在一起凯文。

Kevin: Yes, and we also did Turntable that day I believe.

凯文：是的，我相信那天我们也做了转盘。

Patrick: Yeah, we actually were on, we just kind of shut down the Internet, we broke the tubes. So, yeah, we were on Google Hangouts and playing around with turntable.fm listening to music as well, so that was fun and I’ve done a few hangouts, I did one actually for Dell in I believe it was February on Community Manager Appreciation Day they did a community manager kind of one-hour event where we did some presentations for ten minutes each, and I participated in that, and Dell has done a bunch of stuff on their Google+ page. But so the Google Hangouts on Air take you to a different level allowing you to be live to the world. And if you have a popular YouTube channel that’s another way to engage with your audience, to have a live stream and to have people actually participating with you and talking with you as you’re doing it, and there’s a million different uses for that, obviously, but the thing that struck me about this is there are entire companies that are built to satisfy this need, UStream comes to mind immediately, there’s one that we use for my other podcast, Copyright 2.0 show called SPRAYcast. And they have other features, right, you can display questions on the video player, they record the videos, which Google is doing with Google Hangouts on Air, and you can have two people on the screen at one time, you can have four people on at one time on the same kind of screen looking at all four people, there are a lot of different things that you can do with it; Google+ Hangouts allows you to have people on the screen but only one person gets the main camera. Those are really small differences, and to me if you can be on YouTube live, no offense to UStream or anyone else, but why would you want to be on UStream live? Is that a fair thought or what do you think about competition in that kind of live streaming space now that Google is essentially saying we are definitely in?

帕特里克(Patrick)：是的，我们实际上正在运行，我们只是关闭了互联网，我们打破了管道。所以，是的，我们在Google Hangouts上，还玩着turntable.fm听音乐，所以这很有趣，我做了一些hangout，我实际上是为Dell进行过一个Hangouts，因为我相信这是2月在Community Manager上进行的感谢日，他们做了一个一小时的社区经理活动，每次演讲我们都做了十分钟，我也参加了，戴尔在他们的Google+页面上做了很多事情。但是，Google Hangouts直播将您带入了一个全新的境界，让您可以向世界展示自己的生活。而且，如果您拥有受欢迎的YouTube频道，这是与观众互动的另一种方式，可以进行直播，并让人们在实际操作中与您进行互动并与您交谈，那么这有百万种不同的用途，显然，但是令我震惊的是，有整个公司都可以满足这种需求，UStream马上浮现在脑海，还有一个我们用于我的其他播客，即版权2.0节目SPRAYcast。它们还具有其他功能，对，您可以在视频播放器上显示问题，记录视频，这是Google在使用Google Hangouts直播时所做的，一次可以有两个人，也可以有四个人。在同一屏幕上一次查看所有四个人，您可以使用它进行很多不同的操作；通过Google+环聊，您可以在屏幕上邀请其他人，但只有一个人可以使用主摄像头。这些差异确实很小，对我来说，如果您可以在YouTube直播中，对UStream或其他任何人都没有冒犯，但是为什么要在UStream上进行直播？既然Google本质上说我们肯定会加入，那么在这种实时流媒体空间中竞争是公平的想法还是您如何看待？

Stephan: So my question is when do we do a live stream of the show on this and try it out.

史蒂芬：所以我的问题是，我们什么时候对此节目进行现场直播并尝试一下。

Patrick: I don’t know. I was thinking about that.

帕特里克：我不知道。我在想这个。

Stephan: We should give a test drive; if we’re gonna talk about it we should at least try it out.

斯蒂芬：我们应该试驾；如果我们要谈论它，我们至少应该尝试一下。

Patrick: Right, well, you know, I haven’t done Google Hangouts on Air, and that’s an interesting point, and if you’re listening to this and you’d be interested in us doing this show live leave a comment at sitepoint.com/podcast on this episode and let us know if that’s something that you’d like to watch. But, yeah, that’d be fun, but yeah, I mean I don’t know, it’s interesting, I’m planning on doing more video stuff this summer, and I think there’s a great opportunity there for a lot of popular YouTubers to kind of take their channel to another level rather than having to, you know, previously it was kind of weird, you have this kind of divide, right, and I think some might argue that YouTube and Google were kind of slow to it, but maybe they were just waiting for the right time, right, the right network, the right bandwidth to kick this feature out, because it does take a lot of bandwidth, and so you had this divide of services that host video, like YouTube, Blip.tv, and so on, and then you have services that hosted live video, you know, you weren’t uploading videos to them, that live video was all that they do, and we did live SitePoint podcasts at WordCamp Raleigh two years in a row and used UStream in both cases to stream that show out, but you know if we were to do it now I don’t see a reason why we wouldn’t use Google+ instead since they are essentially matching the video hosting, the great functionality they have at YouTube, you know all the little things they do whether it be captioning or links in videos or all the great user features with the functionality that these other dedicated startups already had.

帕特里克：对，嗯，您知道的，我还没有进行过Google Hangouts直播，这很有趣，如果您正在收听此消息，并且对我们进行现场直播感兴趣，请在sitepoint上发表评论。 .com / podcast ，请告诉我们您是否想看这件事。但是，是的，这很有趣，但是，是的，我的意思是我不知道，这很有趣，我打算在今年夏天制作更多的视频，我认为那里有很多机会吸引很多YouTuber要想将他们的频道带到另一个层次，而不是必须这样做，那以前很奇怪，您有这种分歧，对，我想有人可能会说YouTube和Google有点慢，但是也许他们只是在等待正确的时间，正确的网络，合适的带宽才能使用此功能，因为它确实占用大量带宽，因此您需要托管视频的这种服务划分，例如YouTube， Blip.tv等)，然后您拥有托管实时视频的服务，您知道的是，您没有将视频上传到他们，实时视频是他们所做的全部，并且我们在WordCamp Raleigh进行了两年现场SitePoint播客连续并在两种情况下都使用UStream来流式传输显示出来的内容，但是您知道我们现在是否要这样做了解为什么我们不使用Google+的原因，因为它们本质上与视频托管相匹配，它们在YouTube上具有强大的功能，您知道他们所做的所有小事情，无论是字幕或视频中的链接，还是所有出色的用户功能这些其他专门的初创公司已经具备的功能。

Stephan: I think one key thing that will increase the YouTube usage, or increase this feature usage, is I think a lot of people were hesitant to go to websites called blip.tv or UStream, or whatever, without knowing what it was and understanding what a live stream was, and they’ll be much more willing to click on something that says YouTube, watch the YouTube video.

史蒂芬：我认为会增加YouTube使用率或增加此功能使用率的关键一件事是，我认为许多人在不了解blip.tv或UStream等网站的情况下犹豫不决直播，他们会更愿意点击显示YouTube的内容，观看YouTube视频。

Kevin: Yes.

凯文：是的。

Stephan: I think that that’s a big selling point for people, it’s known, it’s in their brains, they’ve used it before and so they’re comfortable. I think that the other services will struggle to fight that with YouTube and with Google.

史蒂芬：我认为这对人们来说是一个很大的卖点，众所周知，这是在他们的大脑中，他们以前使用过它，所以他们很舒服。我认为其他服务将很难与YouTube和Google对抗。

Kevin: Yeah, it’s hard to create that trust that Google has created with its users over the years, in sites like Blip and that kind of thing, and so you’re exactly right, Stephan, right?

凯文：是的，很难在Blip之类的网站上赢得Google多年来与用户之间建立的信任，所以您说得对，斯蒂芬，对吗？

Stephan: I hope so (laughter).

史蒂芬：我希望是这样(笑声)。

Patrick: You’re all just so right, but here’s the thing, that’s a good point, it’s brand equity, right, it’s brand capital they’ve built up by being in business for so long and having a generally good reputation, and that’s something that Google brings to any industry, right, when they jump in Smart Phones this is Google Smart Phone, this is Google Android, even though it’s branded as Android and it’s open source and there’s that — I would say that comfortable division that they create to make people feel comfortable with engaging with that operating system, but it’s Google, and you know when Google jumps in a new industry or a new platform they instantly have that, and that’s true right across the board, and that includes Google Drive which just recently launched. I mean you have established players who are both super well known companies and not so well known companies, you can think of Amazon as one of the really well known ones with their Cloud drive servers, and then you have a lot of Cloud storage services that are out there, Dropbox is pretty well known, but like I used the example of my family earlier, they don’t know Dropbox, you know my parents don’t know what Dropbox is, but they know Google, they do know what Google is, so even in that case Google Drive has that sort of leg up. Have you guys had any opportunity to look at Google Drive?

帕特里克(Patrick)：你们都很好，但是，这很重要，这是品牌资产，是的，这是他们通过长期经营并获得良好声誉而建立的品牌资本，这就是谷歌带给任何行业的东西，是的，当他们跳入智能手机时，这就是谷歌智能手机，这就是谷歌Android，尽管它的品牌是Android，并且是开源的，但是-我要说的是，他们创建了一个舒适的部门让人们对使用该操作系统感到满意，但这是Google，而且您知道Google进入一个新行业或新平台时，他们会立即拥有这一点，这是正确的，而且包括Google Drive最近推出。 I mean you have established players who are both super well known companies and not so well known companies, you can think of Amazon as one of the really well known ones with their Cloud drive servers, and then you have a lot of Cloud storage services that are out there, Dropbox is pretty well known, but like I used the example of my family earlier, they don't know Dropbox, you know my parents don't know what Dropbox is, but they know Google, they do know what Google is, so even in that case Google Drive has that sort of leg up. Have you guys had any opportunity to look at Google Drive?

Kevin: So I signed up for the service but I have not used it yet, so now instead of Google Documents whenever I go in the browser it says Drive, and that’s about the extent I have used Google Drive.

Kevin: So I signed up for the service but I have not used it yet, so now instead of Google Documents whenever I go in the browser it says Drive, and that's about the extent I have used Google Drive.

Patrick: A re-branding.

Kevin: Right. So like it would be fun to try out, but to be honest I’m using Dropbox and I’m happy, and I think this is a good thing to talk about here, because not just about Google Drive but also for Dropbox, right, because Dropbox is fulfilling my needs and I’m very happy with Dropbox, so my incentive to even look at Google Drive like is zero because I’m completely, I’m 100% satisfied with Dropbox, Dropbox does everything that it says it will, and so I have absolutely no need maybe outside of price to look at somewhere else.

凯文：对。 So like it would be fun to try out, but to be honest I'm using Dropbox and I'm happy, and I think this is a good thing to talk about here, because not just about Google Drive but also for Dropbox, right, because Dropbox is fulfilling my needs and I'm very happy with Dropbox, so my incentive to even look at Google Drive like is zero because I'm completely, I'm 100% satisfied with Dropbox, Dropbox does everything that it says it will, and so I have absolutely no need maybe outside of price to look at somewhere else.

Patrick: That’s the reason I always give people when they say why do you still use that web browser, and they did that when I used IE for many years, why are you still using that instead of Firefox? Well, because I have no reason. And I went over to Firefox and people are like why aren’t you on Chrome? Well, I have no reason, and I’m still on Firefox, but that’s an interesting point. So I haven’t really used Google Drive either, but their feature page makes it pretty clear what they are doing, it’s not just a stored service, like you said, it ties into Google Docs seamlessly, and it incorporates Google’s very powerful search technology, so that’s a benefit to be able to search those archive files. You can view things in the browser, they say you can view and open over 30 file types right in your browser, including HD video, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, even if you don’t have the program installed on your computer, that’s interesting. And Google Drive also interacts with a number of different apps and has a very powerful sharing interface where you can share files with just the right files that you want to put them out there with, and there’s some discussion element to files and collaborative documents that might remind some, I don’t know, it looks a little like Google Wave to me, though I haven’t really played around with it too much, that might be an erroneous statement, and also Google Drive tracks the changes that you made to your file, so when you hit a save button a newer version was saved, and that was already true for Google Documents and it seems like it might also be true for files that you put up, but I don’t know if that’s the case or not, but that would be interesting if that was an actual feature. But Google Drive has been talked about for a long time, and it’s interesting to see them finally get it out the door. Do you use — you know you mentioned Dropbox, do you use anything beyond that for Cloud storage or do you backup to the Cloud, Stephan?

Patrick: That's the reason I always give people when they say why do you still use that web browser, and they did that when I used IE for many years, why are you still using that instead of Firefox? Well, because I have no reason. And I went over to Firefox and people are like why aren't you on Chrome? Well, I have no reason, and I'm still on Firefox, but that's an interesting point. So I haven't really used Google Drive either, but their feature page makes it pretty clear what they are doing, it's not just a stored service, like you said, it ties into Google Docs seamlessly, and it incorporates Google's very powerful search technology, so that's a benefit to be able to search those archive files. You can view things in the browser, they say you can view and open over 30 file types right in your browser, including HD video, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, even if you don't have the program installed on your computer, that's interesting. And Google Drive also interacts with a number of different apps and has a very powerful sharing interface where you can share files with just the right files that you want to put them out there with, and there's some discussion element to files and collaborative documents that might remind some, I don't know, it looks a little like Google Wave to me, though I haven't really played around with it too much, that might be an erroneous statement, and also Google Drive tracks the changes that you made to your file, so when you hit a save button a newer version was saved, and that was already true for Google Documents and it seems like it might also be true for files that you put up, but I don't know if that's the case or not, but that would be interesting if that was an actual feature. But Google Drive has been talked about for a long time, and it's interesting to see them finally get it out the door. Do you use — you know you mentioned Dropbox, do you use anything beyond that for Cloud storage or do you backup to the Cloud, Stephan?

Stephan: I use Amazon.

Patrick: Cloud Drive.

Stephan: The Cloud Drive, yeah, to backup some stuff, and I use a service called Crash Plan.

Patrick: Okay, Crash Plan, my brother has that also; I got him hooked up on that when he went to college.

Stephan: Yeah, it’s a good service. The coolest thing I saw on here, on this Google Drive features list, was the photo storage and the search by, it can recognize objects. So that technology right there is unbelievable, so if you upload a picture of a mountain and it’s Everest, and you do a search and it can tell that it’s Everest, that’s amazing.

Stephan: Yeah, it's a good service. The coolest thing I saw on here, on this Google Drive features list, was the photo storage and the search by, it can recognize objects. So that technology right there is unbelievable, so if you upload a picture of a mountain and it's Everest, and you do a search and it can tell that it's Everest, that's amazing.

Kevin: That’s a little too personal for me (laughter). Hey, look, it’s Kevin in 12 of these photos, don’t you know that guy? Like Google you shouldn’t know my face, that scares me (laughter).

Kevin: That's a little too personal for me (laughter). Hey, look, it's Kevin in 12 of these photos, don't you know that guy? Like Google you shouldn't know my face, that scares me (laughter).

Patrick: The thing is it’s gonna be real scary when they notice just parts of your body, like you search Kevin’s arm, oh, Kevin’s arm appeared in 27 photos (laughter), how many photos are Kevin’s fingerprints visible in, oh, 3,627, oh, we won’t do anything with that information.

Patrick: The thing is it's gonna be real scary when they notice just parts of your body, like you search Kevin's arm, oh, Kevin's arm appeared in 27 photos (laughter), how many photos are Kevin's fingerprints visible in, oh, 3,627, oh, we won't do anything with that information.

Stephan: Did you mean to look for the arrest record of Kevin.

Kevin: Wow. No, ‘did you mean’ in Google Docs (laughter)

Kevin: Wow. No, 'did you mean' in Google Docs (laughter)

Patrick: That’s very funny.

Patrick: That's very funny.

Stephan: So I think that’s really cool, and I think one of the scary parts for me and the reason I’m kind of hesitant to try this out is does it index your drive and where does that information go? And I can’t find anything on all that information yet, I’ve been looking through the privacy while we’ve been on the call by privacy features, but I haven’t seen anything, so if anyone knows out there, any of the listeners, I would love to know what you found regarding what they do with the indexed data on your computer.

Stephan: So I think that's really cool, and I think one of the scary parts for me and the reason I'm kind of hesitant to try this out is does it index your drive and where does that information go? And I can't find anything on all that information yet, I've been looking through the privacy while we've been on the call by privacy features, but I haven't seen anything, so if anyone knows out there, any of the listeners, I would love to know what you found regarding what they do with the indexed data on your computer.

Patrick: Kevin, I asked Stephan if he used any similar services, he mentioned Crash Plan and then Amazon Cloud Drive, what about yourself?

Kevin: Well, since we’re advertising for people, I use Carbonite, and I use Dropbox, and then I use Google Docs, and then I will soon be using the Adobe Cloud, Creative Cloud.

Kevin: Well, since we're advertising for people, I use Carbonite, and I use Dropbox, and then I use Google Docs, and then I will soon be using the Adobe Cloud, Creative Cloud.

Patrick: I just don’t have the bandwidth to use Carbonite and Back Blaze and Crash Plan; I mean it would take decades to get my stuff up.

Patrick: I just don't have the bandwidth to use Carbonite and Back Blaze and Crash Plan; I mean it would take decades to get my stuff up.

Kevin: You just leave it running overnight.

Patrick: Yeah, I know, overnight for a few decades and we’ll be there, you know literally I’m not kidding.

Patrick: Yeah, I know, overnight for a few decades and we'll be there, you know literally I'm not kidding.

Stephan: Yeah, I mean I’m sitting on about a terabyte of data, and I send it to and offsite hard drive, like I don’t use their actual Cloud storage, I just use their service, so it goes to a friend’s computer, which I’m sure he loves when I like upload a bunch of photos, I’m sure his bandwidth really takes a beating (laughs), but I used to have it at my work, I used to have a hard drive sitting at work and I just left it plugged in.

Stephan: Yeah, I mean I'm sitting on about a terabyte of data, and I send it to and offsite hard drive, like I don't use their actual Cloud storage, I just use their service, so it goes to a friend's computer, which I'm sure he loves when I like upload a bunch of photos, I'm sure his bandwidth really takes a beating (laughs), but I used to have it at my work, I used to have a hard drive sitting at work and I just left it plugged in.

Kevin: What’s to be said, I don’t mean to extend this conversation, but what’s to be said for things like photos and music? When you think about like the iTunes Cloud or Apple Cloud, whatever, the iCloud I guess it’s called.

Kevin: What's to be said, I don't mean to extend this conversation, but what's to be said for things like photos and music? When you think about like the iTunes Cloud or Apple Cloud, whatever, the iCloud I guess it's called.

Patrick: A lot of Clouds.

Kevin: Amazon mp3 player and their instant video, do you not think that this is where people are going to store their valuables? Like why put this equity in something that you really can’t protect, and why not put it in the hands of someone that can, even if you don’t physically own a copy, like that’s what I’ve started doing, like all of my music is in Amazon Cloud, so like I don’t need to backup my music, I don’t really backup much of anything other than my documents folder because everything that’s important to me is backed up online within site services, not necessarily on site drives.

Kevin: Amazon mp3 player and their instant video, do you not think that this is where people are going to store their valuables? Like why put this equity in something that you really can't protect, and why not put it in the hands of someone that can, even if you don't physically own a copy, like that's what I've started doing, like all of my music is in Amazon Cloud, so like I don't need to backup my music, I don't really backup much of anything other than my documents folder because everything that's important to me is backed up online within site services, not necessarily on site drives.

Patrick: This is interesting because on the Copyright 2.0 show, the other podcast that I host, the mega upload cases is a big story we talk about every week the different updates and developments, and one of the things that came up recently was people wanting access to the files that were on the service, people who used it as a backup service, as a file locker for their files and their documents. And it’s an interesting question of exactly what you are entitled to legally and what’s fair for you to be entitled to, right, I mean if you sign up with Crash Plan are you entitled to those files forever, are you entitled to the access for those files for how long, I mean companies go out of business as we know, they have financial trouble, they file for Chapter 11, etcetera. So obviously best practices you get some notice of that happening, but if the service is run poorly, as may have been the case with Mega Upload, then what happens when they get seized or they get shut down. Me personally I always think you should have something other than the Cloud service for your important documents, I mean that’s just my thinking about it, and the terms of service for any of these services will probably back that up in saying what you are entitled to and what you’re not entitled to. So there’s this danger and, you know, Brad and Stephan we used to joke with Kevin about the Cloud and how I wouldn’t use Open ID and I wouldn’t trust Cloud Services 100% with all my data, but that’s true for me here as well; I’d love to have it as kind of a backup backup, but putting all your eggs into that basket it’s not without it’s risks. And truth be told, Amazon and Google aren’t probably going anywhere, but still the same principle applies.

Patrick: This is interesting because on the Copyright 2.0 show, the other podcast that I host, the mega upload cases is a big story we talk about every week the different updates and developments, and one of the things that came up recently was people wanting access to the files that were on the service, people who used it as a backup service, as a file locker for their files and their documents. And it's an interesting question of exactly what you are entitled to legally and what's fair for you to be entitled to, right, I mean if you sign up with Crash Plan are you entitled to those files forever, are you entitled to the access for those files for how long, I mean companies go out of business as we know, they have financial trouble, they file for Chapter 11, etcetera. So obviously best practices you get some notice of that happening, but if the service is run poorly, as may have been the case with Mega Upload, then what happens when they get seized or they get shut down. Me personally I always think you should have something other than the Cloud service for your important documents, I mean that's just my thinking about it, and the terms of service for any of these services will probably back that up in saying what you are entitled to and what you're not entitled to. So there's this danger and, you know, Brad and Stephan we used to joke with Kevin about the Cloud and how I wouldn't use Open ID and I wouldn't trust Cloud Services 100% with all my data, but that's true for me here as well; I'd love to have it as kind of a backup backup, but putting all your eggs into that basket it's not without it's risks. And truth be told, Amazon and Google aren't probably going anywhere, but still the same principle applies.

Kevin: But with those services you can still download what you have on them to your computer at a moment’s notice.

Kevin: But with those services you can still download what you have on them to your computer at a moment's notice.

Patrick: Right, but if they get seized tomorrow by the government I mean it’s gonna be too late.

Patrick: Right, but if they get seized tomorrow by the government I mean it's gonna be too late.

Kevin: I would say my laptop has as much chance of being seized by not just the government but by somebody that walks by me in the coffee shop and wants to just snatch my computer away, right.

Patrick: Right. But at the same time there’s a difference between Google and Amazon and Crash Plan and Back Blaze and then Mega Upload and Rapid Share, right, there’s difference, Google and Amazon may have a stronger legal team, right, and they may be doing things a little more appropriately, but then if you’re using these other services that don’t have the same resources or might not be run the same way, you know, it’s just always important to be aware of what you’re getting into and who you’re placing all those files in with.

帕特里克：对。 But at the same time there's a difference between Google and Amazon and Crash Plan and Back Blaze and then Mega Upload and Rapid Share, right, there's difference, Google and Amazon may have a stronger legal team, right, and they may be doing things a little more appropriately, but then if you're using these other services that don't have the same resources or might not be run the same way, you know, it's just always important to be aware of what you're getting into and who you're placing all those files in with.

Kevin: We trust banks, right, we trust banks with our money and our, you know, where we deposit at.

Stephan: Yeah, for $100,000.00, $250,000.00, yeah.

Patrick: Right. Part of the reason that we trust banks is because they’re backed by the FDIC up to $100,000.00 or $250,000.00, and there’s that insurance plan; that doesn’t exist with Cloud Hosting, you know, and probably won’t.

帕特里克：对。 Part of the reason that we trust banks is because they're backed by the FDIC up to $100,000.00 or $250,000.00, and there's that insurance plan; that doesn't exist with Cloud Hosting, you know, and probably won't.

Kevin: Right.

凯文：对。

Stephan: I guess I’m a little different, I think it depends on what your workflow is, right, or what your use case is; I don’t backup my music, I have a hard drive with the music on it, if it goes out then so be it, I honestly don’t have that much music, and now with web services — and this comes back to — we’re coming full circle back to where we were at the beginning of the show, right, I have an app, it’s called Pandora, I can play random music that I want to listen to, I can use RDIO, I could use Spotify, I could use any of these services that are out there to play music without actually having my hard drive. To me what’s important to backup is my personal stuff, my photographs, my personal documents, and that’s about it really, that’s the only thing I need to backup and make sure it’s anywhere. But my photographs library is huge, so for me it’s different than what you guys are using it for or not using it for, and I think for everyone it’s going to be the same way and what’s important to them and how they want to back that stuff up and how they want to ensure they have that information when they need it. Just my two cents.

Stephan: I guess I'm a little different, I think it depends on what your workflow is, right, or what your use case is; I don't backup my music, I have a hard drive with the music on it, if it goes out then so be it, I honestly don't have that much music, and now with web services — and this comes back to — we're coming full circle back to where we were at the beginning of the show, right, I have an app, it's called Pandora, I can play random music that I want to listen to, I can use RDIO, I could use Spotify, I could use any of these services that are out there to play music without actually having my hard drive. To me what's important to backup is my personal stuff, my photographs, my personal documents, and that's about it really, that's the only thing I need to backup and make sure it's anywhere. But my photographs library is huge, so for me it's different than what you guys are using it for or not using it for, and I think for everyone it's going to be the same way and what's important to them and how they want to back that stuff up and how they want to ensure they have that information when they need it. 只是我的两分钱。

Kevin: Yeah, I agree with you and Patrick, I mean you both used the same keyword which was ‘important’, right, it’s all defining what’s important to that person; if it’s really, really important you’re going to want a physical copy of it, I mean that’s just the brass tacks I guess.

Kevin: Yeah, I agree with you and Patrick, I mean you both used the same keyword which was 'important', right, it's all defining what's important to that person; if it's really, really important you're going to want a physical copy of it, I mean that's just the brass tacks I guess.

Stephan: Yeah, absolutely.

Patrick: And Google Drive, if you’re interested, the pricing is as follows: you can get five gigabyte of Google Drive free, and then on top of that they say 10 gigabyte of Gmail and one gigabyte of Picasa, and then for $2.49 a month you can go 25 gigabytes for drive and Picasa, and Gmail is upgraded to 25 gigabytes. For $4.99 a month you go to 100 gigabytes, that’s 100 gigabytes for Drive and Picasa, and once again your Gmail is upgraded to 25 gigabytes, and beyond that 200 gigabytes up until 16 terabytes you can upgrade your plan, and that ranges from $9.99 a month up to $799.99 a month for a 16 terabytes, so, yes, Google has plans for everyone.

Patrick: And Google Drive, if you're interested, the pricing is as follows: you can get five gigabyte of Google Drive free, and then on top of that they say 10 gigabyte of Gmail and one gigabyte of Picasa, and then for $2.49 a month you can go 25 gigabytes for drive and Picasa, and Gmail is upgraded to 25 gigabytes. For $4.99 a month you go to 100 gigabytes, that's 100 gigabytes for Drive and Picasa, and once again your Gmail is upgraded to 25 gigabytes, and beyond that 200 gigabytes up until 16 terabytes you can upgrade your plan, and that ranges from $9.99 a month up to $799.99 a month for a 16 terabytes, so, yes, Google has plans for everyone.

Kevin: That sounds a little creepy, Patrick, “Google has plans for everyone,” mwuhahaha (evil laugh).

Patrick: And their data.

Kevin: Yes, and everything you own.

Patrick: Alright, so with that said I think we’ve come to the end of our story segment, and let’s do host spotlights. Kevin, why don’t you go first.

Patrick: Alright, so with that said I think we've come to the end of our story segment, and let's do host spotlights. Kevin, why don't you go first.

Kevin: So my spotlight comes from webdesignledger.com, it’s 20 inspiring examples of big backgrounds in web design, and it’s just really a fun post of pretty inspiring, of course, website screenshots and links to those sites, so check it out, it’s pretty cool. I mean some of this stuff is pretty neat, but I mean it’s all big background, so. big background, so.

Kevin: So my spotlight comes from webdesignledger.com , it's 20 inspiring examples of big backgrounds in web design, and it's just really a fun post of pretty inspiring, of course, website screenshots and links to those sites, so check it out, it's pretty cool. I mean some of this stuff is pretty neat, but I mean it's all big background, so. big background, so.

Patrick: Cool, yeah, you can see kind of a consistent theme, there’s a lot of visual obviously, but not as much text, right, the text is kind of sparse, selective with how the text and what the copy on the page contains.

Patrick: Cool, yeah, you can see kind of a consistent theme, there's a lot of visual obviously, but not as much text, right, the text is kind of sparse, selective with how the text and what the copy on the page contains.

Kevin: Hmm-mm. It feels very much like an ad in a magazine with navigation.

Patrick: Cool. Stephan what do you have?

帕特里克：酷。 Stephan what do you have?

Stephan: I have a blog post by a man named Dan Haggard, he writes for a website called Reviews in Depth, and his post is called Why Everyone Should Learn to Program. And Mr. Haggard works at a university, he’s an administrator, and it’s just a nice, long blog post on him writing an application and then showing this application to one of his co-workers and getting them excited to program. And he just kind of talks and touches on a few things that I think resonate with people who aren’t programmers. My wife is a math major and I shared this with her and she really enjoyed it because I think it kind of made sense to her, you know, we use a lot of interfaces in our day-to-day lives, the stove you use to cook your dinner, the knife you use to cut your food, the car, the anything, and this kind of touches on how that can be translated into programming and how it’s just an interface for getting things done. So, it’s one of those articles that you can use to show someone who’s kind of skeptical on you writing an application, and have them read this and I think they’ll get it a little bit better.

Stephan: I have a blog post by a man named Dan Haggard, he writes for a website called Reviews in Depth, and his post is called Why Everyone Should Learn to Program. And Mr. Haggard works at a university, he's an administrator, and it's just a nice, long blog post on him writing an application and then showing this application to one of his co-workers and getting them excited to program. And he just kind of talks and touches on a few things that I think resonate with people who aren't programmers. My wife is a math major and I shared this with her and she really enjoyed it because I think it kind of made sense to her, you know, we use a lot of interfaces in our day-to-day lives, the stove you use to cook your dinner, the knife you use to cut your food, the car, the anything, and this kind of touches on how that can be translated into programming and how it's just an interface for getting things done. So, it's one of those articles that you can use to show someone who's kind of skeptical on you writing an application, and have them read this and I think they'll get it a little bit better.

Patrick: Very cool. I myself am not a programmer but I sometimes wish I was. And my spotlight is a web video series called Beer and Board Games, it’s by Blame Society Films, and you can find them at youtube.com/blamesocietyfilms. Basically it is — Blame Society Films is led by Max Sloane and Aaron Yonda, maybe more popularly known as the guys behind Chad Vader, which is a popular web video series, but they’ve done a bunch of other series as well, and one of my favorites is Beer and Board Games, I watch it regularly with my brother Sean, and they tackle board games popular and obscure. They’ve done Risk, they’ve done Sex Maniacs, the card game (laughs), so, you know, there are a lot of crazy board games out there, and the shows are just hilarious, they’re kind of — you know, they’re not three minute YouTube videos, they’re usually about 10 minutes or so, but just great humor, very hilarious and there’s a lot of fun stuff on there channel as well.

帕特里克：非常酷。 I myself am not a programmer but I sometimes wish I was. And my spotlight is a web video series called Beer and Board Games, it's by Blame Society Films, and you can find them at youtube.com/blamesocietyfilms . Basically it is — Blame Society Films is led by Max Sloane and Aaron Yonda, maybe more popularly known as the guys behind Chad Vader, which is a popular web video series, but they've done a bunch of other series as well, and one of my favorites is Beer and Board Games, I watch it regularly with my brother Sean, and they tackle board games popular and obscure. They've done Risk, they've done Sex Maniacs, the card game (laughs), so, you know, there are a lot of crazy board games out there, and the shows are just hilarious, they're kind of — you know, they're not three minute YouTube videos, they're usually about 10 minutes or so, but just great humor, very hilarious and there's a lot of fun stuff on there channel as well.

Stephan: I’ll have to find the Settlers of Catan one; I need to watch that one.

Stephan: I'll have to find the Settlers of Catan one; I need to watch that one.

Patrick: They haven’t done that one yet, have they? I’ve never even played that game, I have heard of it.

Patrick: They haven't done that one yet, have they? I've never even played that game, I have heard of it.

Stephan: (Laughs) it’s a good game.

Stephan: (Laughs) it's a good game.

Kevin: Have you heard of Carcassonne?

Patrick: Uh, no.

Kevin: Ah, man, what’s wrong with you?

Kevin: Ah, man, what's wrong with you?

Patrick: I guess if I come to where you guys are located one day then we can play those games.

Kevin: We shall.

Patrick: Before we go around the table I’d like to shout out a listener of the show, Chris Trynkiewicz, who is a very literal listener, always commenting on my Google+ posts about the show, so Chris thank you for listening, we really appreciate it. Chris actually left me a really long comment about something we should talk about on the show, but I didn’t have enough time to review it before we recorded. So thanks again, Chris, and thank you to everyone that listens to the show. Let’s go ahead and go around the table.

Patrick: Before we go around the table I'd like to shout out a listener of the show, Chris Trynkiewicz, who is a very literal listener, always commenting on my Google+ posts about the show, so Chris thank you for listening, we really appreciate it. Chris actually left me a really long comment about something we should talk about on the show, but I didn't have enough time to review it before we recorded. So thanks again, Chris, and thank you to everyone that listens to the show. Let's go ahead and go around the table.

Kevin: Okay, so you can find me @kevindees on Twitter and kevindees.cc on the Interwebs.

Stephan: I’m Stephan Segraves, you can find me on Twitter @ssegraves, and I blog at badice.com

Stephan: I'm Stephan Segraves, you can find me on Twitter @ssegraves , and I blog at badice.com

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